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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://nourishedmagazine.com.au/blog/articles/grass-fed-meat-our-true-environmental-savior-2#comment-33491</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article is quite frankly ridiculous and some of the statements in it are simply false and utter nonsense.

I am simply going to address one part

"However, coming into their 50s and 60s now, I see many long time vegetarians; exhausted, overwhelmed and caffeine addicted from years of underNourishing themselves. (BTW It takes 140 Litres of water to make enough coffee for one cup. I challenge you to find a vegetarian who isn’t caffeine addicted. I haven’t yet.)
Many lose their creativity and the naturally buoyant, positive attitude which is our birthright. Many wind up, infertile, unmotivated, ineffective and resentful without knowing why. "

First of all let us make something very clear.  

Just because someone is a "vegetarian" does not mean that someone has eaten a healthy and balanced diet.  You can eat twinkies and drink Pepsi all day and be a "vegetarian" .

So first of all your statement that "many long time vegetarians are exhausted, overwhelmed, and caffeine addicted is just nonsense and your OPINION.  

Because quite frankly I could say the same thing of the 30 year old meat eaters here in the United States.  Your caffeine comment is just as silly as most meat eaters wash their meat down with coffee or Mountain Dew.  

You challenge us to find one veggie who is not caffeine addicted?  This is as silly and ad hominem as us saying the exact same thing directed at meat eaters .

The real reality is that most HEALTHY planet based vegetarians have tons of energy and are still going strong late in life.  

But what the meat industry only wants you to see is the stick thin twinkie eating veggie who is malnourished.

Many loose their Creativity?  Really?  You are aware Albert Einstein, Tesla, Edison, and many of the most brilliant and creative people on This planet were veggies right?  O wait, the McDonald's commercial that brainwashed you didn't mention that did it?  The real reality, and not your fantasy land is that the most Creative people on earth are vegetarians for the most part.

Many of us do loose our positive attitude around the general public, you are correct about that.  Having 10 extremely fat meat eaters asking "Where do you get your protein" gets very old very fast.

Your comment about infertile are about as ignorant as they get also, as ERECTILE problems are linked to eating MEAT and not eating enough veggies!

Honestly this article is nothing but ad hominem attacks, with no scientific backing and not the least bit of education or true study.   The good thing is that the human race is waking up to this kind of stuff and starting to think for itself.  

Of course what should I expect from a article written by someone who thinks they are a superhero with superhero kids and that they are married to God.   /facepalm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is quite frankly ridiculous and some of the statements in it are simply false and utter nonsense.</p>
<p>I am simply going to address one part</p>
<p>&#8220;However, coming into their 50s and 60s now, I see many long time vegetarians; exhausted, overwhelmed and caffeine addicted from years of underNourishing themselves. (BTW It takes 140 Litres of water to make enough coffee for one cup. I challenge you to find a vegetarian who isn’t caffeine addicted. I haven’t yet.)<br />
Many lose their creativity and the naturally buoyant, positive attitude which is our birthright. Many wind up, infertile, unmotivated, ineffective and resentful without knowing why. &#8221;</p>
<p>First of all let us make something very clear.  </p>
<p>Just because someone is a &#8220;vegetarian&#8221; does not mean that someone has eaten a healthy and balanced diet.  You can eat twinkies and drink Pepsi all day and be a &#8220;vegetarian&#8221; .</p>
<p>So first of all your statement that &#8220;many long time vegetarians are exhausted, overwhelmed, and caffeine addicted is just nonsense and your OPINION.  </p>
<p>Because quite frankly I could say the same thing of the 30 year old meat eaters here in the United States.  Your caffeine comment is just as silly as most meat eaters wash their meat down with coffee or Mountain Dew.  </p>
<p>You challenge us to find one veggie who is not caffeine addicted?  This is as silly and ad hominem as us saying the exact same thing directed at meat eaters .</p>
<p>The real reality is that most HEALTHY planet based vegetarians have tons of energy and are still going strong late in life.  </p>
<p>But what the meat industry only wants you to see is the stick thin twinkie eating veggie who is malnourished.</p>
<p>Many loose their Creativity?  Really?  You are aware Albert Einstein, Tesla, Edison, and many of the most brilliant and creative people on This planet were veggies right?  O wait, the McDonald&#8217;s commercial that brainwashed you didn&#8217;t mention that did it?  The real reality, and not your fantasy land is that the most Creative people on earth are vegetarians for the most part.</p>
<p>Many of us do loose our positive attitude around the general public, you are correct about that.  Having 10 extremely fat meat eaters asking &#8220;Where do you get your protein&#8221; gets very old very fast.</p>
<p>Your comment about infertile are about as ignorant as they get also, as ERECTILE problems are linked to eating MEAT and not eating enough veggies!</p>
<p>Honestly this article is nothing but ad hominem attacks, with no scientific backing and not the least bit of education or true study.   The good thing is that the human race is waking up to this kind of stuff and starting to think for itself.  </p>
<p>Of course what should I expect from a article written by someone who thinks they are a superhero with superhero kids and that they are married to God.   /facepalm</p>
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		<title>By: AJP</title>
		<link>http://nourishedmagazine.com.au/blog/articles/grass-fed-meat-our-true-environmental-savior-2#comment-32743</link>
		<dc:creator>AJP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 13:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. I have recently finished an arise and shine detox which entailed me cutting out all meat, eggs and dairy from my diet for a four week period, subsiding on a purely alkaline diet and the herbal and detox support through the program. I lost a stone and a half in weight (I was fairly fit and slim anyway) mostly in muscle. On completion I felt very weak and listless but moderately euphoric and not at all hungry which I found a strange physiological response. My circulation suffered terribly with very cold extremities. Whether this was a process I needed to go through or not I have gone straight into eating only grass fed meat, eggs sourced from a local poultry farmer and raw milk, alongside organic vegetables and frozen raw liver. I have put myself on a natural undentured whey protein (bluebonnet) and am regularly exercising, far more than I did before my detox.  Raw food is definitely the way forward for me. I suspect how you respond to a vegetarian diet relies on your metabolic type. I am probably somewhere between a straight protein and mixed type. Maybe others can cope with a meatless diet and that is great for them but it most certainly is not for everyone and people can delude themselves into believing so which naturally will be detrimental to their health. I will conclude by just saying eat what makes you feel healthy but eat local and clean and healthy and natural. You most definitely are what you eat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. I have recently finished an arise and shine detox which entailed me cutting out all meat, eggs and dairy from my diet for a four week period, subsiding on a purely alkaline diet and the herbal and detox support through the program. I lost a stone and a half in weight (I was fairly fit and slim anyway) mostly in muscle. On completion I felt very weak and listless but moderately euphoric and not at all hungry which I found a strange physiological response. My circulation suffered terribly with very cold extremities. Whether this was a process I needed to go through or not I have gone straight into eating only grass fed meat, eggs sourced from a local poultry farmer and raw milk, alongside organic vegetables and frozen raw liver. I have put myself on a natural undentured whey protein (bluebonnet) and am regularly exercising, far more than I did before my detox.  Raw food is definitely the way forward for me. I suspect how you respond to a vegetarian diet relies on your metabolic type. I am probably somewhere between a straight protein and mixed type. Maybe others can cope with a meatless diet and that is great for them but it most certainly is not for everyone and people can delude themselves into believing so which naturally will be detrimental to their health. I will conclude by just saying eat what makes you feel healthy but eat local and clean and healthy and natural. You most definitely are what you eat.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well written article.   I am a "recovering" vegan (20 years ago) who slowly came back through vegetarianism and now Paleo.  I have read so many testimonials on Paleo web sites by reformed vegetarians and vegans stating exactly what you are saying re health issues.

To "Dani", instead of a short, abrupt and angry response with little support to your objection - try reading a book by a 20 year ex-vegan: "The Vegetarian Myth", and start educating yourself instead of flaming others who are trying to help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well written article.   I am a &#8220;recovering&#8221; vegan (20 years ago) who slowly came back through vegetarianism and now Paleo.  I have read so many testimonials on Paleo web sites by reformed vegetarians and vegans stating exactly what you are saying re health issues.</p>
<p>To &#8220;Dani&#8221;, instead of a short, abrupt and angry response with little support to your objection - try reading a book by a 20 year ex-vegan: &#8220;The Vegetarian Myth&#8221;, and start educating yourself instead of flaming others who are trying to help.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Voiland</title>
		<link>http://nourishedmagazine.com.au/blog/articles/grass-fed-meat-our-true-environmental-savior-2#comment-31335</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Voiland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 13:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting points about the grass etc. but off base on characterizing long term vegetarians as weak and sickly. It is important to eat a wide variety of minimally processsed raw and cooked foods that includes legumes, whole grains, vegetables, fruits, even small amounts of cheese on occasion.  It is also important to remain active. We all know the drill.  I have been vegetarian for over 35 years and am in my mid fifties.  I do very demanding physical work that involves stamina, strength and precision. I am a little slower than I was  but still run 7 or 8 miles 2 to 3 times per week.   Other than my vision being less than it was and my hair being thinned out to near baldness, I remain the same weight as I was when I was sixteen and am capable of outworking most men in their 20's.  
     There is nothing magical about it.  Eat a wide variety of whole plant based foods.  (cook as many as you can from scratch.) be active and you will maintain health and vigor.  Your choosing to be vegetarian will make the earth better as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting points about the grass etc. but off base on characterizing long term vegetarians as weak and sickly. It is important to eat a wide variety of minimally processsed raw and cooked foods that includes legumes, whole grains, vegetables, fruits, even small amounts of cheese on occasion.  It is also important to remain active. We all know the drill.  I have been vegetarian for over 35 years and am in my mid fifties.  I do very demanding physical work that involves stamina, strength and precision. I am a little slower than I was  but still run 7 or 8 miles 2 to 3 times per week.   Other than my vision being less than it was and my hair being thinned out to near baldness, I remain the same weight as I was when I was sixteen and am capable of outworking most men in their 20&#8217;s.<br />
     There is nothing magical about it.  Eat a wide variety of whole plant based foods.  (cook as many as you can from scratch.) be active and you will maintain health and vigor.  Your choosing to be vegetarian will make the earth better as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Fleur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fleur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 23:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really think you tend to over-generalize in this article. Eating meat all the time is not good for you despite what you Weston Price people say though I'm glad to see that you support the local food movement. I always wonder why these environmental organizations never talk about local organic food as a solution. Meat causes your insides to turn acidity which can lead to cancer eventually. Of course, everyone is different and some people may very well do fine on a high animal diet.

But most meat is not grass-fed and is not accessible to a lot of people so they have to turn to chemical-filled meat. So really its best to stick to grains and produce. Really produce is the best food you can ever eat. You can grow grains yourself in your backyard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really think you tend to over-generalize in this article. Eating meat all the time is not good for you despite what you Weston Price people say though I&#8217;m glad to see that you support the local food movement. I always wonder why these environmental organizations never talk about local organic food as a solution. Meat causes your insides to turn acidity which can lead to cancer eventually. Of course, everyone is different and some people may very well do fine on a high animal diet.</p>
<p>But most meat is not grass-fed and is not accessible to a lot of people so they have to turn to chemical-filled meat. So really its best to stick to grains and produce. Really produce is the best food you can ever eat. You can grow grains yourself in your backyard.</p>
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		<title>By: Dani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 14:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Article is Bull shit.
And just so you know; the digestive system is build like a herbivore not a carnivore. Meat rots in our bodies before I can be released.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Article is Bull shit.<br />
And just so you know; the digestive system is build like a herbivore not a carnivore. Meat rots in our bodies before I can be released.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, as a vegetarian myself, I'm slightly offended. As an agricultural science student, I'm slightly amused. The Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations quotes the greenhouse gas emissions of Livestock Production to be 18%, which is a bigger share than the transport industy. The quote by Dr Jones is narrowly used, the fact is that the grazing of ruminant animals is detrimental to our environment via soil degradation, deforestation, air pollution, and land and water use that could be used to more effective agricultural means. 

Cattle in Australia are generally fed on pastures for the first period of their life before they are then sent to a feedlot where they are weened onto a grain diet. Feedlots are used for several reasons, primarily because of consumer demand and the additional weight gained by cattle within them. The meat has less of a gamey taste, has a much higher yield, and may have a better appearance. In saying this, I applaud anyone who opts for 100% pasture fed beef. It is much better for you, the environment, and the animal will not have the stressors of being moved, nor the health implications of being fed a diet that they don't naturally eat. For anyone serious about getting pasture fed cattle, ensure it is slaughtered on or near where they are raised, nor of course are they sent to a feedlot. If you want to really test your butcher/supplier, ask them what they feed them in dry periods when pasture is low.

But really, the broad sweeping implication that beef consumption is sustainable, as long as it's pasture fed is a highly contentious point to be making. It might be a nice thing to believe when we live somewhere along the coast of Australia, where there is plenty of pasture to ensure we have the ability to source local produce, but how would those in central Australia eat, let alone those in other countries, where either the land is not suited to pasture. Further, if the entire Australia was to switch to pasture fed beef, there would have to be such a large drop in consumption for this to be sustainable. Otherwise we would overgraze our lands, perhaps cut down even more trees (on this note, one of the major reasons for the deforestation of the Amazon rainforest is to create new pastures for Livestock production....is it slightly hypocritical of us to criticise them for these actions, only because our trees have already been cut down???)

Whilst it's great that people are seeking pasture fed and free roaming livestock, I think we should also acknowledge that these practices are not feasible on a large scale given our current consumer demand, nor are they suited to all climates on a global scale. Our soils aren't amazingly fertile in Australia, but we are extremely lucky in that a large portion of us are able to source all our produce locally with minimal consumption of grains. 

Simon - There are probably a few places around. http://www.wholefoods.com.au/ check out this site, if they won't stock, they could probably give a good indication of market demand in the area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, as a vegetarian myself, I&#8217;m slightly offended. As an agricultural science student, I&#8217;m slightly amused. The Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations quotes the greenhouse gas emissions of Livestock Production to be 18%, which is a bigger share than the transport industy. The quote by Dr Jones is narrowly used, the fact is that the grazing of ruminant animals is detrimental to our environment via soil degradation, deforestation, air pollution, and land and water use that could be used to more effective agricultural means. </p>
<p>Cattle in Australia are generally fed on pastures for the first period of their life before they are then sent to a feedlot where they are weened onto a grain diet. Feedlots are used for several reasons, primarily because of consumer demand and the additional weight gained by cattle within them. The meat has less of a gamey taste, has a much higher yield, and may have a better appearance. In saying this, I applaud anyone who opts for 100% pasture fed beef. It is much better for you, the environment, and the animal will not have the stressors of being moved, nor the health implications of being fed a diet that they don&#8217;t naturally eat. For anyone serious about getting pasture fed cattle, ensure it is slaughtered on or near where they are raised, nor of course are they sent to a feedlot. If you want to really test your butcher/supplier, ask them what they feed them in dry periods when pasture is low.</p>
<p>But really, the broad sweeping implication that beef consumption is sustainable, as long as it&#8217;s pasture fed is a highly contentious point to be making. It might be a nice thing to believe when we live somewhere along the coast of Australia, where there is plenty of pasture to ensure we have the ability to source local produce, but how would those in central Australia eat, let alone those in other countries, where either the land is not suited to pasture. Further, if the entire Australia was to switch to pasture fed beef, there would have to be such a large drop in consumption for this to be sustainable. Otherwise we would overgraze our lands, perhaps cut down even more trees (on this note, one of the major reasons for the deforestation of the Amazon rainforest is to create new pastures for Livestock production&#8230;.is it slightly hypocritical of us to criticise them for these actions, only because our trees have already been cut down???)</p>
<p>Whilst it&#8217;s great that people are seeking pasture fed and free roaming livestock, I think we should also acknowledge that these practices are not feasible on a large scale given our current consumer demand, nor are they suited to all climates on a global scale. Our soils aren&#8217;t amazingly fertile in Australia, but we are extremely lucky in that a large portion of us are able to source all our produce locally with minimal consumption of grains. </p>
<p>Simon - There are probably a few places around. <a href="http://www.wholefoods.com.au/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wholefoods.com.au/</a> check out this site, if they won&#8217;t stock, they could probably give a good indication of market demand in the area.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
		<link>http://nourishedmagazine.com.au/blog/articles/grass-fed-meat-our-true-environmental-savior-2#comment-19635</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can watch food inc. on youtube.</description>
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		<title>By: Anita</title>
		<link>http://nourishedmagazine.com.au/blog/articles/grass-fed-meat-our-true-environmental-savior-2#comment-19623</link>
		<dc:creator>Anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Food Inc. movie is coming out in Aus on May 20th.</description>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
		<link>http://nourishedmagazine.com.au/blog/articles/grass-fed-meat-our-true-environmental-savior-2#comment-19349</link>
		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Simon, If you are looking for a distribution outlet in Melbourne try the folk at CERES Food Connect - they will be launching their new box system in March and will probably be looking for a local meat farmer and will most certainly have subscribers buying in bulk, as we do here in Brisbane.  Try emailing cinnamon@ceres.org.au and tell them Food Connect Brisbane referred you.  Good luck! Emma</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Simon, If you are looking for a distribution outlet in Melbourne try the folk at CERES Food Connect - they will be launching their new box system in March and will probably be looking for a local meat farmer and will most certainly have subscribers buying in bulk, as we do here in Brisbane.  Try emailing <a href="mailto:cinnamon@ceres.org.au">cinnamon@ceres.org.au</a> and tell them Food Connect Brisbane referred you.  Good luck! Emma</p>
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