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		<title>By: Stu</title>
		<link>http://nourishedmagazine.com.au/blog/articles/10-reasons-why-parents-question-vaccination#comment-28265</link>
		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 10:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Christopher Hitchens once said "claims that are asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence". In the mean time I recommend people that support the AVN do some more research. Like about the fact that when pressed for sources of information, the head of the AVN cited about 13 papers. The first half were not peer reviewed. The second half actually stated the opposite of her message. The reason pro-vaccine advocates get so angry over this issue is if the people supporting AVN had done the research they had claimed to, none would support them in the first place. This is a confusing issue for the average mum and dad that don't have a degree in immunology so I empathise completely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Christopher Hitchens once said &#8220;claims that are asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence&#8221;. In the mean time I recommend people that support the AVN do some more research. Like about the fact that when pressed for sources of information, the head of the AVN cited about 13 papers. The first half were not peer reviewed. The second half actually stated the opposite of her message. The reason pro-vaccine advocates get so angry over this issue is if the people supporting AVN had done the research they had claimed to, none would support them in the first place. This is a confusing issue for the average mum and dad that don&#8217;t have a degree in immunology so I empathise completely.</p>
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		<title>By: Marge</title>
		<link>http://nourishedmagazine.com.au/blog/articles/10-reasons-why-parents-question-vaccination#comment-19528</link>
		<dc:creator>Marge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 05:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the govt. most infant vaccines have been thimerisol free since 2000.

All vaccines on the current Australian Standard Vaccination Schedule (ASVS) for infants and children under the age of 8 years are now free of thiomersal. The exception is the one of the infant hepatitis B vaccines, Engerix-B paediatric formulation, which contains a greatly reduced amount of thiomersal (2 µg per dose). The following tables list the vaccines used in Australia that are thiomersal free and vaccines that contain thiomersal.
Table 1: Thiomersal-free vaccines available for use in infants and children in Australia

Vaccine	
Trade Name

Manufacturer

Hepatitis B

H-B-VaxII* preservative-free paediatric formulation

CSL/Merck Sharpe &#38; Dohme

DTPa

Infanrix and Tripacel

GlaxoSmithKline, CSL

DTPa-hepatitis B

Infanrix-Hep B

GlaxoSmithKline

DTPa-IPV

Infanrix-IPV

GlaxoSmithKline

DTPa-hepatitis B-IPV

Infanrix-Penta

GlaxoSmithKline

DTPa-hepatitis B-IPV-Hib B PRPT

Infanrix-Hexa

GlaxoSmithKline

Hepatitis B - Hib B PRP-OMP

Comvax

CSL

Haemophilus influenza B OMP

Liquid PedVaxHIB

Merck Sharpe &#38; Dohme

Haemophilus influenzae B PRPT

ActHib)

Pasteur Mérieux

Haemophilus influenzae B HbOC

HibTITER

Lederle

Measles, mumps, rubella

MMR II, Priorix

CSL, GlaxoSmithKline

Meningococcal group C conjugate vaccines

Meningitec, Menjugate, NeisVac-C

Wyeth, CSL, Baxter

Oral polio vaccine

OPV

CSL

Inactivated polio vaccine (IPV)

IPOL

Aventis Pasteur

Polysaccharide pueumococcal vaccine

Pneumovax 23

Merck Sharpe &#38; Dohme

7-valent pneumococcal conjugate vaccine

Prevenar

Lederle

Varicella vaccine

Varilrix

GlaxoSmithKline

Varicella vaccine

Varivax

CSL/Merck Sharpe &#38; Dohme

Influenza vaccine

Vaxigrip, Fluvax

Aventis Pasteur, 
CSL


Table 2: Vaccines available in Australia that contain thiomersal

Vaccine

Trade Name

Manufacturer

Dose of thiomersal

Combined diphtheria and tetanus vaccine

CDT

CSL

50 micrograms

Adult diphtheria and tetanus vaccine

ADT

CSL

50 micrograms

Diphtheria vaccine

 

CSL

50 micrograms

Hepatitis B

Engerix B Adult

GlaxoSmithKline

&#60;2 micrograms

*Influenza vaccines

Fluarix, Influvac, Fluvax

GlaxoSmithKline, Solvay, CSL

50 micrograms

Japanese encephalitis vaccine

JE Vax

CSL

35 micrograms

Q fever vaccine

Q vax

CSL

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the govt. most infant vaccines have been thimerisol free since 2000.</p>
<p>All vaccines on the current Australian Standard Vaccination Schedule (ASVS) for infants and children under the age of 8 years are now free of thiomersal. The exception is the one of the infant hepatitis B vaccines, Engerix-B paediatric formulation, which contains a greatly reduced amount of thiomersal (2 µg per dose). The following tables list the vaccines used in Australia that are thiomersal free and vaccines that contain thiomersal.<br />
Table 1: Thiomersal-free vaccines available for use in infants and children in Australia</p>
<p>Vaccine<br />
Trade Name</p>
<p>Manufacturer</p>
<p>Hepatitis B</p>
<p>H-B-VaxII* preservative-free paediatric formulation</p>
<p>CSL/Merck Sharpe &amp; Dohme</p>
<p>DTPa</p>
<p>Infanrix and Tripacel</p>
<p>GlaxoSmithKline, CSL</p>
<p>DTPa-hepatitis B</p>
<p>Infanrix-Hep B</p>
<p>GlaxoSmithKline</p>
<p>DTPa-IPV</p>
<p>Infanrix-IPV</p>
<p>GlaxoSmithKline</p>
<p>DTPa-hepatitis B-IPV</p>
<p>Infanrix-Penta</p>
<p>GlaxoSmithKline</p>
<p>DTPa-hepatitis B-IPV-Hib B PRPT</p>
<p>Infanrix-Hexa</p>
<p>GlaxoSmithKline</p>
<p>Hepatitis B - Hib B PRP-OMP</p>
<p>Comvax</p>
<p>CSL</p>
<p>Haemophilus influenza B OMP</p>
<p>Liquid PedVaxHIB</p>
<p>Merck Sharpe &amp; Dohme</p>
<p>Haemophilus influenzae B PRPT</p>
<p>ActHib)</p>
<p>Pasteur Mérieux</p>
<p>Haemophilus influenzae B HbOC</p>
<p>HibTITER</p>
<p>Lederle</p>
<p>Measles, mumps, rubella</p>
<p>MMR II, Priorix</p>
<p>CSL, GlaxoSmithKline</p>
<p>Meningococcal group C conjugate vaccines</p>
<p>Meningitec, Menjugate, NeisVac-C</p>
<p>Wyeth, CSL, Baxter</p>
<p>Oral polio vaccine</p>
<p>OPV</p>
<p>CSL</p>
<p>Inactivated polio vaccine (IPV)</p>
<p>IPOL</p>
<p>Aventis Pasteur</p>
<p>Polysaccharide pueumococcal vaccine</p>
<p>Pneumovax 23</p>
<p>Merck Sharpe &amp; Dohme</p>
<p>7-valent pneumococcal conjugate vaccine</p>
<p>Prevenar</p>
<p>Lederle</p>
<p>Varicella vaccine</p>
<p>Varilrix</p>
<p>GlaxoSmithKline</p>
<p>Varicella vaccine</p>
<p>Varivax</p>
<p>CSL/Merck Sharpe &amp; Dohme</p>
<p>Influenza vaccine</p>
<p>Vaxigrip, Fluvax</p>
<p>Aventis Pasteur,<br />
CSL</p>
<p>Table 2: Vaccines available in Australia that contain thiomersal</p>
<p>Vaccine</p>
<p>Trade Name</p>
<p>Manufacturer</p>
<p>Dose of thiomersal</p>
<p>Combined diphtheria and tetanus vaccine</p>
<p>CDT</p>
<p>CSL</p>
<p>50 micrograms</p>
<p>Adult diphtheria and tetanus vaccine</p>
<p>ADT</p>
<p>CSL</p>
<p>50 micrograms</p>
<p>Diphtheria vaccine</p>
<p>CSL</p>
<p>50 micrograms</p>
<p>Hepatitis B</p>
<p>Engerix B Adult</p>
<p>GlaxoSmithKline</p>
<p>&lt;2 micrograms</p>
<p>*Influenza vaccines</p>
<p>Fluarix, Influvac, Fluvax</p>
<p>GlaxoSmithKline, Solvay, CSL</p>
<p>50 micrograms</p>
<p>Japanese encephalitis vaccine</p>
<p>JE Vax</p>
<p>CSL</p>
<p>35 micrograms</p>
<p>Q fever vaccine</p>
<p>Q vax</p>
<p>CSL</p>
<p>50 micrograms</p>
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		<title>By: Anita</title>
		<link>http://nourishedmagazine.com.au/blog/articles/10-reasons-why-parents-question-vaccination#comment-18343</link>
		<dc:creator>Anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, 
Thankyou so much for your comment, because it caused me to research further into vaccination safety, &#38; I came to the conclusion again that I made the right decision NOT to vaccinate our children.
First, I came across the story of the Hopewood children (which is excellent reading), proving that Real foods builds up the immune system, &#38; protects against disease. These 86 children were adopted at birth (when their mothers couldn't keep them) &#38; raised on real natural foods, experiencing superior health. Sickness only came when some of the children swapped their lunches at school with other kids. 
//www.vaclib.org/toc.htm#ingredients
//www.vaccinationdebate.com/articles.html   (you'll need to put the 'http:' in front of these)
This quote really made sense to me- "The body has its own methods of defense. These depend on the vitality of the body at the time. If it is vital enough, it will resist all infections; if it isn't vital enough, it won't, and you can't change the vitality of the body for the better by introducing poison of any kind into it." Dr William Howard Hay (1937).
Prevention IS always better than 'the cure'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter,<br />
Thankyou so much for your comment, because it caused me to research further into vaccination safety, &amp; I came to the conclusion again that I made the right decision NOT to vaccinate our children.<br />
First, I came across the story of the Hopewood children (which is excellent reading), proving that Real foods builds up the immune system, &amp; protects against disease. These 86 children were adopted at birth (when their mothers couldn&#8217;t keep them) &amp; raised on real natural foods, experiencing superior health. Sickness only came when some of the children swapped their lunches at school with other kids.<br />
//www.vaclib.org/toc.htm#ingredients<br />
//www.vaccinationdebate.com/articles.html   (you&#8217;ll need to put the &#8216;http:&#8217; in front of these)<br />
This quote really made sense to me- &#8220;The body has its own methods of defense. These depend on the vitality of the body at the time. If it is vital enough, it will resist all infections; if it isn&#8217;t vital enough, it won&#8217;t, and you can&#8217;t change the vitality of the body for the better by introducing poison of any kind into it.&#8221; Dr William Howard Hay (1937).<br />
Prevention IS always better than &#8216;the cure&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://nourishedmagazine.com.au/blog/articles/10-reasons-why-parents-question-vaccination#comment-18229</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 14:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don't you present some of this "evidence?".  This article is little more than a series of allegations and claims.   As these contradict every health department, teaching hospital and credible researcher on the planet you have the onus of backing your claims.   On review, the few that I checked are patently and laughably ridiculous.   You guys can do what you like with yourselves, however peddling this rubbish risks the lives of children - both those who will not be vaccinated because their parents believed you and even more tragically in the wider community when your disease-harbors infect and kill.   Whilst the internet has generally been a boon to enlightened communication, sites like this are a sad exception to the rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t you present some of this &#8220;evidence?&#8221;.  This article is little more than a series of allegations and claims.   As these contradict every health department, teaching hospital and credible researcher on the planet you have the onus of backing your claims.   On review, the few that I checked are patently and laughably ridiculous.   You guys can do what you like with yourselves, however peddling this rubbish risks the lives of children - both those who will not be vaccinated because their parents believed you and even more tragically in the wider community when your disease-harbors infect and kill.   Whilst the internet has generally been a boon to enlightened communication, sites like this are a sad exception to the rule.</p>
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		<title>By: bettina</title>
		<link>http://nourishedmagazine.com.au/blog/articles/10-reasons-why-parents-question-vaccination#comment-17486</link>
		<dc:creator>bettina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Klem, point number 10 doesn't state that Scandinavian people are not vaccinated againts measels. I think you misunderstood the message of the argument. So did the message of "awaiting moderation"...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Klem, point number 10 doesn&#8217;t state that Scandinavian people are not vaccinated againts measels. I think you misunderstood the message of the argument. So did the message of &#8220;awaiting moderation&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Klem</title>
		<link>http://nourishedmagazine.com.au/blog/articles/10-reasons-why-parents-question-vaccination#comment-17478</link>
		<dc:creator>Klem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comment is awaiting moderation?? So this is a censored debate... Weak man.. Very very weak...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comment is awaiting moderation?? So this is a censored debate&#8230; Weak man.. Very very weak&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Klem</title>
		<link>http://nourishedmagazine.com.au/blog/articles/10-reasons-why-parents-question-vaccination#comment-17477</link>
		<dc:creator>Klem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dont drag Scandinavian countrys into this. We are all vacinated against measels... And we have for a very long time. So please dont list that as reason number 10.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dont drag Scandinavian countrys into this. We are all vacinated against measels&#8230; And we have for a very long time. So please dont list that as reason number 10.</p>
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		<title>By: Anita</title>
		<link>http://nourishedmagazine.com.au/blog/articles/10-reasons-why-parents-question-vaccination#comment-17090</link>
		<dc:creator>Anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 04:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's the graph to show historical evidence of the natural decline in death rate to infectious diseases, before vaccination- http://www.whale.to/vaccines/graph.html   
This is interesting, too (off whale.to) A single vaccine given to a six-pound newborn is the equivalent of giving a 180-pound adult 30 vaccinations on the same day!  Include in this, the toxic effects of high levels of aluminum and formaldehyde contained in some vaccines, and the synergist toxicity could be increased to unknown levels.  Further, it is very well known that infants do not produce significant levels of bile or have adult renal capacity for several months after birth.  Bilary transport is the major biochemical route by which mercury is removed from the body, and infants cannot do this very well.  They also do not possess the renal (kidney) capacity to remove aluminum. Additionally, mercury is a well-known inhibitor of kidney function."--Boyd Haley Ph.D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the graph to show historical evidence of the natural decline in death rate to infectious diseases, before vaccination- <a href="http://www.whale.to/vaccines/graph.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.whale.to/vaccines/graph.html</a><br />
This is interesting, too (off whale.to) A single vaccine given to a six-pound newborn is the equivalent of giving a 180-pound adult 30 vaccinations on the same day!  Include in this, the toxic effects of high levels of aluminum and formaldehyde contained in some vaccines, and the synergist toxicity could be increased to unknown levels.  Further, it is very well known that infants do not produce significant levels of bile or have adult renal capacity for several months after birth.  Bilary transport is the major biochemical route by which mercury is removed from the body, and infants cannot do this very well.  They also do not possess the renal (kidney) capacity to remove aluminum. Additionally, mercury is a well-known inhibitor of kidney function.&#8221;&#8211;Boyd Haley Ph.D.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://nourishedmagazine.com.au/blog/articles/10-reasons-why-parents-question-vaccination#comment-14199</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction to my post (above): substitute "sodium ascorbate" for "ascorbic acid".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction to my post (above): substitute &#8220;sodium ascorbate&#8221; for &#8220;ascorbic acid&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://nourishedmagazine.com.au/blog/articles/10-reasons-why-parents-question-vaccination#comment-14198</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tetanus Vaccination

This author has reached the opinion that vaccination does not necessarily confer immunity. Why? Simply because antibodies to a particular disease only indicate exposure to that disease, not any degree of immunity! Tetanus is an extraordinarily good example.

Unlike many other infectious diseases, exposure to tetanus doesn't mean that you can't get the disease again (and again and again). In other words, the body does not appear to form any kind of natural immunity from exposure. Nor does an individual create antibodies to the tetanus toxoid -- the "standard" measure used by medical science to determine immunity status. It's important to note that tetanus infections are seen in both vaccinated and unvaccinated populations in Australia. 

So how do you protect yourself from this disease? As mentioned by other authors here, a strong immune system is important -- but there's more to it than that. The tetanus bacteria itself doesn't appear to invade the blood stream; it's the toxin produced by the bacteria that poisons the body. This means that by first removing all foreign matter from the wound, cleaning it thoroughly with a disinfectant (like hydrogen peroxide) prior to dressing/stitching will virtually eliminate the risk. Allowing the wound to (initially) bleed profusely is also reported to aid in deep disinfection. Crush, burn and puncture injuries are often subject to surgery to ensure complete cleanliness, but note that there is evidence that wound debridement may actually increase infection in some cases.

So what are your options if you're incredibly unlucky and get the disease anyway? It is quite clear from years of REAL research that high-dose intravenous ascorbic acid can neutralise the effects of toxins (like tetanus) on the body. For those that can't find a practitioner to administer this treatment or would rather stick with mainstream treatments, several antibiotics are found to be effective.

It's instructive to note that a large percentage of infections in the third world are in infants, caused by the cutting of the umbilical cord with contaminated scissors. With a little reasoning, we can see that any reduction in infection rates in Australia were likely due to improvements in sanitation, access to medical resources (ie, antibiotics and wound treatment) and perhaps even changes in farming practices. 

Australian vaccine researcher Dr Viera Scheibner estimates that there are only 12 cases of tetanus, on average, per year in Australia, about half of those occurring in fully vaccinated people. The risks of side effects of this vaccine are far greater than any perceived benefit. Statistically speaking, it's more dangerous to cross the road than not to get the tetanus vaccine.

Don't take my word for it -- get searching and save your life :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tetanus Vaccination</p>
<p>This author has reached the opinion that vaccination does not necessarily confer immunity. Why? Simply because antibodies to a particular disease only indicate exposure to that disease, not any degree of immunity! Tetanus is an extraordinarily good example.</p>
<p>Unlike many other infectious diseases, exposure to tetanus doesn&#8217;t mean that you can&#8217;t get the disease again (and again and again). In other words, the body does not appear to form any kind of natural immunity from exposure. Nor does an individual create antibodies to the tetanus toxoid &#8212; the &#8220;standard&#8221; measure used by medical science to determine immunity status. It&#8217;s important to note that tetanus infections are seen in both vaccinated and unvaccinated populations in Australia. </p>
<p>So how do you protect yourself from this disease? As mentioned by other authors here, a strong immune system is important &#8212; but there&#8217;s more to it than that. The tetanus bacteria itself doesn&#8217;t appear to invade the blood stream; it&#8217;s the toxin produced by the bacteria that poisons the body. This means that by first removing all foreign matter from the wound, cleaning it thoroughly with a disinfectant (like hydrogen peroxide) prior to dressing/stitching will virtually eliminate the risk. Allowing the wound to (initially) bleed profusely is also reported to aid in deep disinfection. Crush, burn and puncture injuries are often subject to surgery to ensure complete cleanliness, but note that there is evidence that wound debridement may actually increase infection in some cases.</p>
<p>So what are your options if you&#8217;re incredibly unlucky and get the disease anyway? It is quite clear from years of REAL research that high-dose intravenous ascorbic acid can neutralise the effects of toxins (like tetanus) on the body. For those that can&#8217;t find a practitioner to administer this treatment or would rather stick with mainstream treatments, several antibiotics are found to be effective.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s instructive to note that a large percentage of infections in the third world are in infants, caused by the cutting of the umbilical cord with contaminated scissors. With a little reasoning, we can see that any reduction in infection rates in Australia were likely due to improvements in sanitation, access to medical resources (ie, antibiotics and wound treatment) and perhaps even changes in farming practices. </p>
<p>Australian vaccine researcher Dr Viera Scheibner estimates that there are only 12 cases of tetanus, on average, per year in Australia, about half of those occurring in fully vaccinated people. The risks of side effects of this vaccine are far greater than any perceived benefit. Statistically speaking, it&#8217;s more dangerous to cross the road than not to get the tetanus vaccine.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t take my word for it &#8212; get searching and save your life :)</p>
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